Legislature(2005 - 2006)BUTROVICH 205

05/03/2005 08:30 AM Senate JUDICIARY


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+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Recessed to 3:30 pm --
+= SB 74 CRIMES INVOLVING MARIJUANA/OTHER DRUGS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 165 CARD ROOMS & OPERATIONS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+= HB 33 EFFECT OF REGULATIONS ON SMALL BUSINESSES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 33(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 81 CONTRACTOR LICENSE ENFORCEMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 81(JUD) Out of Committee
+= HB 149 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 149(JUD) Out of Committee
+= HB 183 CAMPAIGN FINANCE: SHARED EXPENSES/LISTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 183(STA) Out of Committee
+= HB 184 MUNICIPAL FIREARM ORDINANCES TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS HB 184(JUD) Out of Committee
+= HB 201 PERM. FUND DIVIDEND APPS OF MILITARY TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 201 Out of Committee
+= HB 210 BLOODBORNE PATHOGEN TESTING TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 210(JUD) Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
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in which each will be taken up>
             CSHB 149(FIN)AM -CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:01:41 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR RALPH SEEKINS announced HB 149 to be up for consideration.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. JANE PIERSEN, staff to  Representative Jay Ramras, introduced                                                               
HB 149. There are proposed amendments attached to the bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:02:58 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR GRETCHEN GUESS moved SCS  CSHB 149(JUD) Version \K as the                                                               
working  document.  She  asked  Ms.  Piersen  whether  there  was                                                               
anything  in the  committee  substitute that  wasn't  part of  an                                                               
amendment  passed   prior  in   the  Senate   Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSEN replied no. The  first proposed amendment deletes the                                                               
log in  several sections  and puts  it in  a new  subsection. The                                                               
person would no  longer be guilty of a class  A misdemeanor but a                                                               
violation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:05:02 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  GUESS  moved Amendment  1.  Hearing  no objections,  the                                                               
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                      24-LS0596\K.1                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 1                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, lines 13 - 16:                                                                                                         
     Delete "The log and the information entered into the log is                                                                
confidential.   The retailer may not  allow access to the  log or                                                               
release  information  contained  within  the log  except  to  the                                                               
Department of Public Safety or other law enforcement officers."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Page 11, following line 3:                                                                                                      
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          (g)  The log required to be maintained by a retailer                                                                  
     under (b) of  this section and the  information entered into                                                               
     the log is confidential.   The retailer may not allow access                                                               
     to the log  or release information contained  within the log                                                               
     except  to the  Department  of Public  Safety  or other  law                                                               
     enforcement officers."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Reletter the following subsections accordingly.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Page 11, line 15:                                                                                                               
     Delete "(g)"                                                                                                               
     Insert "(h)"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Page 11, line 21, following "violation.":                                                                                       
     Insert "A retailer who knowingly violates (g) of this                                                                      
section is guilty of a violation."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS  moved Amendment  2.  Hearing  no objections,  the                                                               
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                      24-LS0596\K.2                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 2                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 11, line 3:                                                                                                                
     Delete "subsequent"                                                                                                        
     Following "period":                                                                                                        
          Insert "following the written request"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 3.                                                                                                
                                                      24-LS0596\K.4                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 3                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, line 20, following "regulation":                                                                                       
     Insert "due to the product's potential for diversion to the                                                                
manufacture of methamphetamine, its  immediate precursors, or the                                                               
salts, isomers,  or salts  of isomers  of methamphetamine  or its                                                               
immediate precursors"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:06:18 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. DEAN  GUANELI, chief  assistant attorney  general, Department                                                               
of  Law (DOL),  explained  the proposed  language  gives the  DOL                                                               
additional guidance, which is due  to the product's potential for                                                               
diversion to the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine (meth).                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:07:51 AM                                                                                                                   
Once state law  is adopted where only the  sole active ingredient                                                               
products  go behind  the counter,  the meth  cooks will  begin to                                                               
cook  the  combination ingredient  products.  HB  149 should  add                                                               
language that allows  flexibility to incorporate multi-ingredient                                                               
products into the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:09:41 AM                                                                                                                   
Chair  Seekins  removed  his objection  and  hearing  no  others,                                                               
Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 4.                                                                                                
                                                      24-LS0596\K.5                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 4                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 4, lines 17 - 25:                                                                                                          
     Delete all material and insert:                                                                                            
               "(2)  less than 24 grams of ephedrine,                                                                           
     pseudoephedrine,   phenylpropanolamine,    or   the   salts,                                                               
     isomers, or salts  of isomers of those chemicals,  kept in a                                                               
     locked  storage  area  on  the   premises  of  a  legitimate                                                               
     business or nonprofit organization  operating a camp, lodge,                                                               
     school,  day   care  center,  treatment  center,   or  other                                                               
     organized group activity, and the  location or nature of the                                                               
     activity,  or   the  age  of  the   participants,  makes  it                                                               
     impractical for  the participants in the  activity to obtain                                                               
     medicinal products."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  explained  the  amendment  allows  the  police  the                                                               
opportunity to obtain a search warrant.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:12:22 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  FRENCH  objected. He  said  the  words "consistent  with                                                               
typical  medicinal or  household use"  should be  enough for  the                                                               
police  to  make  a  determination  between  a  meth  lab  and  a                                                               
household.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  informed some  meth  labs  are operated  where  the                                                               
people  collect  ingredients separately.  In  order  to obtain  a                                                               
search warrant the  police have to prove other  factors exist. In                                                               
some circumstances it is not possible for the police to do.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:14:52 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. GUANELI  continued the amendment  is an attempt to  limit the                                                               
organizations that store many products.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   FRENCH  removed   his   objection.   Amendment  4   was                                                               
unanimously adopted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:16:58 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 5.                                                                                                
                                                      24-LS0596\K.6                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 5                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, line 8, following "regulation":                                                                                        
     Insert "due to the product's potential for diversion to the                                                                
manufacture of methamphetamine, its immediate precursors, or the                                                                
salts, isomers, or salts of isomers of methamphetamine or its                                                                   
immediate precursors"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI explained the amendment is necessary to give the                                                                    
Department of Public Safety (DPS) more direction as to how to                                                                   
regulate additional substances that go behind the counter.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS removed his objection. Hearing no others,                                                                         
Amendment 5 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 6.                                                                                                
                                                      24-LS0596\K.7                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 6                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 1, line 9, through page 2, line 3:                                                                                         
     Delete all material.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Page 2, line 4:                                                                                                                 
     Delete "Sec. 2"                                                                                                          
     Insert "Section 1"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Page 12, line 31:                                                                                                               
     Delete "Section 8"                                                                                                         
     Insert "Section 7"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Page 13, line 6:                                                                                                                
     Delete "Sections 2 - 12 and 15:                                                                                            
     Insert "Sections 1 - 11 and 14"                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Page 13, line 9:                                                                                                                
     Delete "Sections 1 - 16"                                                                                                   
     Insert "Sections 1 - 15"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Page 13, line 10:                                                                                                               
     Delete "Section 17"                                                                                                        
     Insert "Section 16"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI explained Amendment 6  would remove the findings from                                                               
the bill.  It also relates  to the danger of  manufacturing meth.                                                               
It addresses  a mandatory  bail amount  for repeat  offenders. He                                                               
expressed a preference for leaving Section 1 in the bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:19:35 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR THERRIAULT  offered to  provide a  letter of  intent from                                                               
the committee in lieu of Section 1.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEEKINS   removed  his   objection.  Hearing   no  others,                                                               
Amendment 6 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:21:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 7.                                                                                                
                                                      24-LS0596\K.8                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 7                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 13, line 8:                                                                                                                
     Delete "AS 17.30.090"                                                                                                      
     Insert "AS 17.30.090(b)"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PIERSEN explained  Amendment 7  was intended  to be  part of                                                               
sunsetting the  logs. The  amendment is  incorrect and  should be                                                               
"Insert AS 17.30.090(g)."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS speculated (b) was correct.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSEN stood corrected.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS removed his objection.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  asked whether the checking  of identification (ID)                                                               
would be repealed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSEN said the intent is to repeal the log.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS said  he had no problem continuing  the checking of                                                               
ID. The intent was to remove  the log-keeping at sunset if proven                                                               
non-effective.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:23:51 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  FRENCH noted  a need  to reinsert  the photo  ID portion                                                               
elsewhere in the bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Amendment 7 was tabled.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS moved  Amendment 8  and explained  this would  put                                                               
everything in the  log in regulation. Hearing  no objections, the                                                               
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                      24-LS0596\K.9                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 8                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, lines 10 - 11:                                                                                                         
     Delete "requires the purchaser to sign a written log                                                                       
completed by the retailer"                                                                                                      
     Insert "completes a written log"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS  moved Amendment  9.  Hearing  no objections,  the                                                               
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                     24-LS0596\K.10                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 9                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, line 2, following "or a":                                                                                              
     Insert "shorter"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:25:26 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 10.                                                                                               
                                                     24-LS0596\K.11                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 10                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, line 12, following "regulation.":                                                                                      
     Insert "The log shall be maintained for one year or a                                                                      
shorter period  of time established  by the Department  of Public                                                               
Safety by regulation."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PIERSEN advised  the amendment  maintains the  same language                                                               
for retailers that the log is  maintained for one year or shorter                                                               
period of time established by the DPS by regulation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEEKINS   removed  his   objection.  Hearing   no  further                                                               
objections, Amendment 10 was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved Amendment 11.                                                                                               
                                                     24-LS0596\K.13                                                             
                                                         Luckhaupt                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 11                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE HOUSE                                                                                                            
     TO:  SCS CSHB 149(JUD), Draft Version "K"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 10, line 16, following "officers":                                                                                         
     Insert "A retailer is not liable in a civil action for                                                                     
release of information  contained in the log in  violation of the                                                               
confidentiality requirements of this  section unless the retailer                                                               
intentionally released the  information or was aware  at the time                                                               
of  the  release  that  the information  was  being  released  in                                                               
violation of this section."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS objected for explanation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  advised the amendment  is to relieve  the retailer                                                               
from  civil liability  for an  accidental release  of information                                                               
kept in the log.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEEKINS   removed  his   objection.  Hearing   no  further                                                               
objections, Amendment 11 was unanimously adopted.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee revisited Amendment 7.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:27:23 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR FRENCH asked for directions to the sunset.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS directed Page 13; line  8 (Section 17) says it will                                                               
be  repealed. Section  19 says  Section 17  would go  into effect                                                               
June 30, 2007.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  stated  unless  action is  taken  prior  to  the                                                               
repealer date, all the requirements go away.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:29:11 AM                                                                                                                   
Amendment 7 was unanimously adopted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS alerted  the committee to a drafting  error on Page                                                               
10,  lines 7  and 19.  Both paragraphs  talk about  a product  or                                                               
substance. She proposed Amendment 12.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 12                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 10, line 7, after (3) insert "ephedrine, pseudo                                                                       
ephedrine,  phenylpropanolamine, their  salts, isomers,  or salts                                                               
of isomers, and."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:31:36 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. GUANELI said  red phosphorus is also  an essential ingredient                                                               
of meth  and regulating  ingredients that are  too common  can be                                                               
problematic.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:33:48 AM                                                                                                                   
Amendment 12 was unanimously adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS moved  Amendment  13. Hearing  no objections,  the                                                               
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 13                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
     Page 10, line 19, delete "any additional product." Insert                                                                  
"other ingredient."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:36:19 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  GUESS  moved  SCS  CSHB  149(JUD)  from  committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  attached  fiscal note(s).  There                                                               
being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                                         

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